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All right, we are good. 00:00:02
I'd like to call the Monday, June 23rd, 2025. 00:00:06
Meeting of the Vermont Civil Service Commission to. 00:00:10
Meeting to order. 00:00:13
Here. 00:00:17
Need to approve the meeting minutes. 00:00:24
In the last meeting of April 28th. 00:00:26
I was actually that day, so I approved the fact that I was asking that day. 00:00:29
So I move to approve the minutes as it's written for. 00:00:33
April 28th meeting. 00:00:37
Yes, Quaker. 00:00:41
Epstein. 00:00:44
Brown. Yes. Motion carried. 00:00:45
Before we. 00:00:51
Journeys executive section, I'd like to interject, have the police chief tell us. 00:00:52
His procedure when he was. 00:00:59
And stated as police chief so that we. 00:01:01
Have an idea of what we. 00:01:04
Need to do them. 00:01:05
So keep. 00:01:07
Good evening. 00:01:09
So the. 00:01:10
Sense of urgency. So my projected retirement is April 10th of 2026. 00:01:11
So my intention is to oversee the transition to the new agency and then? 00:01:17
Transition to new administration to get them started before I leave. 00:01:22
I'm not entirely sure I'm going to make it till the end of the year. I've had some. 00:01:28
Pretty good job offers that. 00:01:32
May involve me leaving earlier. 00:01:34
But the most pressing issue we have is my administrative assistant, who's the single most important person. 00:01:36
In the Police Department, she actually runs everything. 00:01:42
And I don't know anything. She's retiring. Effective getting up, Jamie. 00:01:47
So she would be leaving four months before, so we would like to. 00:01:51
Get the Chiefs promotional test done so we can identify who the next guy is to be involved in that selection. 00:01:55
Because I don't want to pick the next administrative assistant which is not. 00:02:02
This and that will position. It's not a civil service position because of the nature. 00:02:05
You know what we do? 00:02:10
So. 00:02:12
Person should be the one selecting that important position. 00:02:13
Critically also we have other. 00:02:17
You know, we'll have new detectives that Dan shoots going to retire next year as well. He's going to be a big loss, so. 00:02:20
Whoever replaces me has some very. 00:02:27
Personnel changes and ships that they're going to have to do. 00:02:33
And they should be the ones doing that. I shouldn't be doing it. 00:02:36
So what we're asking? 00:02:40
I only get like a month with Bob. 00:02:43
My Bob retired. 00:02:45
And he'd like to drive like Cleveland and went to the corners office and dropped off a urine sample and went to Little Italy and 00:02:47
had strong belief. 00:02:50
So I really didn't know dancing what I was doing when I started. It took me a little while to get caught up. 00:02:53
And then when I realized this January had been Chief Warner and Bob was cheap. 00:02:58
I knew it was time for me to hang. 00:03:02
Passing on to. 00:03:05
So one I would like to. 00:03:07
Make sure that I know who my replacement is going to be, whether it's. 00:03:09
Whoever it is, so we can start to get things put together so they're a little bit better prepared. 00:03:12
Than what I was because I didn't have the safety director to work with so. 00:03:19
I learned a lot of things the hard way there. 00:03:22
Beginning and there is a lot to absorb in my position. I just make it look easy. It's not because I'm really that good. 00:03:24
With that, the position that is selecting the administrative assistant. 00:03:32
Pretty critical, so we'd really like to get a jump on that. 00:03:37
And again, if I do have a correct opportunity, I want to leave. I don't want to City High and dry. 00:03:40
Make sure that order of succession. 00:03:45
Is taken care of. 00:03:47
So that's what we're looking for. The mayor extends his apologies for not being here tonight again. He had another meeting. They 00:03:50
had attendance. 00:03:54
But he will send you the formal notice. 00:03:58
If he has not done so, I think he sent an e-mail, but usually he'll send you a formal notice requesting the testing. 00:04:01
Clancy did the testing for us last time. 00:04:07
They handled everything just like they do the sargency exam, just like they did the captains exam. 00:04:11
Started through 5050. Captain 6040. Chief 7030. 00:04:15
But they handle all the written exam. 00:04:19
In the world Board. 00:04:22
Can usually come in and they do. 00:04:24
The same thing with the stars. 00:04:25
Background procedures. 00:04:27
The rules and regulations they populate the reading list and the study list. 00:04:29
Disseminate that information through Mel when you do the testing announcement. 00:04:34
Everybody puts her name in the ring. 00:04:39
Same thing, the rank them after the written exam scheduled for the old board. 00:04:42
The old board is a. 00:04:46
Is more intensive than what the sergeants report. 00:04:48
Can be here in 2-3 hours. 00:04:51
They put them through mate grinder. 00:04:53
So that's kind of how the process works. It's not too. 00:04:55
Not too complicated for you folks. 00:05:00
It's just kind of basically saying run the service this. 00:05:04
So when would you like to see? 00:05:09
A new chief hired. 00:05:12
Well, the new chief tentatively would be sworn would take over on April 10th, 2026. That's. 00:05:14
The best case scenario, however, I've had a couple of private sector opportunities. 00:05:21
That may and again I also have to see how the. 00:05:27
Just depending how the election goes. 00:05:31
I may look at him earlier. 00:05:33
OK, yeah, done it before. I don't want to do it. 00:05:35
So I haven't really decided. 00:05:38
Between December and April. 00:05:42
What I've been looking right now, 10 minutes, April 10th. 00:05:45
Because that will give me my 20. 00:05:47
In the attention system. 00:05:50
Money's not everything. 00:05:52
Does the city have the? 00:05:55
The financial. 00:05:58
Can we have? 00:06:04
The interim chief or the new chief pirate before he leave? Like I said, he wanted to train them. 00:06:06
Would that be a tightly increased stent for them? No. 00:06:11
Shadow. 00:06:16
I think we shame, you said in the official job wouldn't start until yeah, they can't, yeah, they can't get the promotion itself. 00:06:17
I resigned. 00:06:24
So, and the only thing in the rules I think we have is the position has to be filled within 90 days of my faith. 00:06:26
Cortana is that from my vacancy? I think it will remove. 00:06:32
I mean that's that's the worst case scenario. 00:06:35
This is a little bit different. We're just trying to get ahead of the curve. 00:06:38
And what's pushing it through? 00:06:41
So we could have the person identified before you leave the unemployment. 00:06:46
Yeah, because the test is good for a year I believe. 00:06:50
Yeah, extended for two, so. 00:06:54
Yeah. Oh, OK. 00:06:57
So just to. 00:07:01
Find out how it could work so. 00:07:03
We touch somebody and we're making a. 00:07:05
The announcement says the start date would be, doesn't it? 00:07:08
For the job. 00:07:12
Do you recall or do we not even have to? 00:07:13
Formulas and we don't have this, no, I think we just form a list. 00:07:16
Flexible planning here they could end up. 00:07:22
November. 00:07:25
And the current sergeants ignore the sergeant's exams current, so you don't have to run another one of those because Ben Sergeant 00:07:30
would take. 00:07:34
Promoted chiefs and then. 00:07:39
Sergeant goes to Sergeant. 00:07:40
We still have one name left on the full time patrol office in this. 00:07:42
Exam. But that's Random Kirchbaum, who works for his part time and who has declined a full time position five times already. 00:07:46
But he's kind of interested in being the SRO, and our SRO is moving, Kinsey channels moving become. 00:07:52
The juvenile detective. 00:07:59
Which is going to leave the SRO position open, so he's considering. 00:08:01
Coming over, but if he turns us down again. 00:08:04
We're going to have to run another. 00:08:08
Troll officer test. 00:08:09
But I'm going to leave that to the next guy because now he has built department. 00:08:10
How they want to see. 00:08:16
Does that make sense? 00:08:19
Yeah, yeah. 00:08:20
Appreciate. 00:08:22
Foresight in that league. 00:08:23
Yes, I learned it. I learned the hard way in the beginning, and I promised myself I wasn't going to do that. 00:08:26
As best I can. 00:08:32
Whoever replaced me. 00:08:34
So what do you think of? 00:08:39
When in the next 90 days? It seems like by the time you go through the process with all the Clancy work. 00:08:41
So you really have. 00:08:47
Pretty close. 00:08:49
Yeah, yeah, I think we probably should. 00:08:52
Jump on that as soon as. 00:08:55
Sounds good, yeah. 00:08:57
We need to get the letter from the mayor. 00:08:59
And that way. 00:09:03
You can get the test going on. The test is good for one year in clinics. 00:09:04
It results in the testing group for one year. We could extend it two years. 00:09:08
That will. I promise you that will not be necessary. It will be well within. 00:09:12
Of that one here so. 00:09:17
I promise. 00:09:19
Than last week and I get away with it. 00:09:21
Hey. 00:09:24
Anything else? 00:09:31
Well, we thank you for your input and making us aware and. 00:09:33
Best of luck of future endeavors. All right, I appreciate it if you need anything. 00:09:38
For me or anything let me know. 00:09:44
Usually bombards me. 00:09:46
Or Gwen always bombarded me at that point once clients got involved. 00:09:48
We'll get everything worked out. 00:09:52
Don't even take care of the lunches for the. 00:09:53
The panel. 00:09:56
They're really partial to Ruby. 00:09:58
OK. Thank you, Sir. 00:10:00
The key. 00:10:09
Moving on, I make a motion to. 00:10:11
Into executive session. 00:10:14
For the purpose of. 00:10:16
Scoring the. 00:10:18
Full time police dispatchers examination. 00:10:20
And to certify the list. 00:10:23
Dave, And just for clarity, statutory is for the purpose of employment matter. 00:10:27
Yes. 00:10:35
Can I second? 00:10:38
Yes, yes. 00:10:42
OK, you should be good to go. 00:10:45
OK, call me. 00:10:52
Calling me back. 00:10:55
Yeah, OK. 00:10:59
I would like to certify the results of the police dispatcher examination. 00:11:01
And authorize Clerk would to prepare and certify the results to the mayor. 00:11:11
And to the chief of police. 00:11:16
And send. 00:11:22
Scores to all applicants. 00:11:24
By certified or electronic means. 00:11:30
Chair, do you want to fix the eligibility? 00:11:38
Period, one year, 2 years right now it says with us. 00:11:44
I thought it was already one year. 00:11:52
Well, it just says the terminal energy of peaceless shall be fixed by the Commission. 00:11:54
That no less than one year. 00:12:01
No, no more than two so. 00:12:03
So the list will be good for one year. 00:12:06
Unless we need to extend it. 00:12:10
How much kiss go upon that at that time? 00:12:12
OK. 00:12:18
Yes. 00:12:24
Yes. Motion carried. 00:12:27
Do we need to have discussion? 00:12:38
Of the. 00:12:41
Moving towards getting the police. 00:12:45
The chief test moving along. 00:12:47
Or are we? 00:12:51
So once once the letter comes out we can contact OK? 00:12:55
To allow me to contact. 00:13:00
All right, so we have to wait until we get the official letter. 00:13:04
OK, and I can call. 00:13:08
Because I, you know, it sounds like we need to do that. 00:13:13
As soon as practical, yes. 00:13:16
Just the time breaks straight so. 00:13:19
If there's no further business. 00:13:23
I move to adjourn the meeting. 00:13:31
Said oh OK. 00:13:32
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All right, we are good. 00:00:02
I'd like to call the Monday, June 23rd, 2025. 00:00:06
Meeting of the Vermont Civil Service Commission to. 00:00:10
Meeting to order. 00:00:13
Here. 00:00:17
Need to approve the meeting minutes. 00:00:24
In the last meeting of April 28th. 00:00:26
I was actually that day, so I approved the fact that I was asking that day. 00:00:29
So I move to approve the minutes as it's written for. 00:00:33
April 28th meeting. 00:00:37
Yes, Quaker. 00:00:41
Epstein. 00:00:44
Brown. Yes. Motion carried. 00:00:45
Before we. 00:00:51
Journeys executive section, I'd like to interject, have the police chief tell us. 00:00:52
His procedure when he was. 00:00:59
And stated as police chief so that we. 00:01:01
Have an idea of what we. 00:01:04
Need to do them. 00:01:05
So keep. 00:01:07
Good evening. 00:01:09
So the. 00:01:10
Sense of urgency. So my projected retirement is April 10th of 2026. 00:01:11
So my intention is to oversee the transition to the new agency and then? 00:01:17
Transition to new administration to get them started before I leave. 00:01:22
I'm not entirely sure I'm going to make it till the end of the year. I've had some. 00:01:28
Pretty good job offers that. 00:01:32
May involve me leaving earlier. 00:01:34
But the most pressing issue we have is my administrative assistant, who's the single most important person. 00:01:36
In the Police Department, she actually runs everything. 00:01:42
And I don't know anything. She's retiring. Effective getting up, Jamie. 00:01:47
So she would be leaving four months before, so we would like to. 00:01:51
Get the Chiefs promotional test done so we can identify who the next guy is to be involved in that selection. 00:01:55
Because I don't want to pick the next administrative assistant which is not. 00:02:02
This and that will position. It's not a civil service position because of the nature. 00:02:05
You know what we do? 00:02:10
So. 00:02:12
Person should be the one selecting that important position. 00:02:13
Critically also we have other. 00:02:17
You know, we'll have new detectives that Dan shoots going to retire next year as well. He's going to be a big loss, so. 00:02:20
Whoever replaces me has some very. 00:02:27
Personnel changes and ships that they're going to have to do. 00:02:33
And they should be the ones doing that. I shouldn't be doing it. 00:02:36
So what we're asking? 00:02:40
I only get like a month with Bob. 00:02:43
My Bob retired. 00:02:45
And he'd like to drive like Cleveland and went to the corners office and dropped off a urine sample and went to Little Italy and 00:02:47
had strong belief. 00:02:50
So I really didn't know dancing what I was doing when I started. It took me a little while to get caught up. 00:02:53
And then when I realized this January had been Chief Warner and Bob was cheap. 00:02:58
I knew it was time for me to hang. 00:03:02
Passing on to. 00:03:05
So one I would like to. 00:03:07
Make sure that I know who my replacement is going to be, whether it's. 00:03:09
Whoever it is, so we can start to get things put together so they're a little bit better prepared. 00:03:12
Than what I was because I didn't have the safety director to work with so. 00:03:19
I learned a lot of things the hard way there. 00:03:22
Beginning and there is a lot to absorb in my position. I just make it look easy. It's not because I'm really that good. 00:03:24
With that, the position that is selecting the administrative assistant. 00:03:32
Pretty critical, so we'd really like to get a jump on that. 00:03:37
And again, if I do have a correct opportunity, I want to leave. I don't want to City High and dry. 00:03:40
Make sure that order of succession. 00:03:45
Is taken care of. 00:03:47
So that's what we're looking for. The mayor extends his apologies for not being here tonight again. He had another meeting. They 00:03:50
had attendance. 00:03:54
But he will send you the formal notice. 00:03:58
If he has not done so, I think he sent an e-mail, but usually he'll send you a formal notice requesting the testing. 00:04:01
Clancy did the testing for us last time. 00:04:07
They handled everything just like they do the sargency exam, just like they did the captains exam. 00:04:11
Started through 5050. Captain 6040. Chief 7030. 00:04:15
But they handle all the written exam. 00:04:19
In the world Board. 00:04:22
Can usually come in and they do. 00:04:24
The same thing with the stars. 00:04:25
Background procedures. 00:04:27
The rules and regulations they populate the reading list and the study list. 00:04:29
Disseminate that information through Mel when you do the testing announcement. 00:04:34
Everybody puts her name in the ring. 00:04:39
Same thing, the rank them after the written exam scheduled for the old board. 00:04:42
The old board is a. 00:04:46
Is more intensive than what the sergeants report. 00:04:48
Can be here in 2-3 hours. 00:04:51
They put them through mate grinder. 00:04:53
So that's kind of how the process works. It's not too. 00:04:55
Not too complicated for you folks. 00:05:00
It's just kind of basically saying run the service this. 00:05:04
So when would you like to see? 00:05:09
A new chief hired. 00:05:12
Well, the new chief tentatively would be sworn would take over on April 10th, 2026. That's. 00:05:14
The best case scenario, however, I've had a couple of private sector opportunities. 00:05:21
That may and again I also have to see how the. 00:05:27
Just depending how the election goes. 00:05:31
I may look at him earlier. 00:05:33
OK, yeah, done it before. I don't want to do it. 00:05:35
So I haven't really decided. 00:05:38
Between December and April. 00:05:42
What I've been looking right now, 10 minutes, April 10th. 00:05:45
Because that will give me my 20. 00:05:47
In the attention system. 00:05:50
Money's not everything. 00:05:52
Does the city have the? 00:05:55
The financial. 00:05:58
Can we have? 00:06:04
The interim chief or the new chief pirate before he leave? Like I said, he wanted to train them. 00:06:06
Would that be a tightly increased stent for them? No. 00:06:11
Shadow. 00:06:16
I think we shame, you said in the official job wouldn't start until yeah, they can't, yeah, they can't get the promotion itself. 00:06:17
I resigned. 00:06:24
So, and the only thing in the rules I think we have is the position has to be filled within 90 days of my faith. 00:06:26
Cortana is that from my vacancy? I think it will remove. 00:06:32
I mean that's that's the worst case scenario. 00:06:35
This is a little bit different. We're just trying to get ahead of the curve. 00:06:38
And what's pushing it through? 00:06:41
So we could have the person identified before you leave the unemployment. 00:06:46
Yeah, because the test is good for a year I believe. 00:06:50
Yeah, extended for two, so. 00:06:54
Yeah. Oh, OK. 00:06:57
So just to. 00:07:01
Find out how it could work so. 00:07:03
We touch somebody and we're making a. 00:07:05
The announcement says the start date would be, doesn't it? 00:07:08
For the job. 00:07:12
Do you recall or do we not even have to? 00:07:13
Formulas and we don't have this, no, I think we just form a list. 00:07:16
Flexible planning here they could end up. 00:07:22
November. 00:07:25
And the current sergeants ignore the sergeant's exams current, so you don't have to run another one of those because Ben Sergeant 00:07:30
would take. 00:07:34
Promoted chiefs and then. 00:07:39
Sergeant goes to Sergeant. 00:07:40
We still have one name left on the full time patrol office in this. 00:07:42
Exam. But that's Random Kirchbaum, who works for his part time and who has declined a full time position five times already. 00:07:46
But he's kind of interested in being the SRO, and our SRO is moving, Kinsey channels moving become. 00:07:52
The juvenile detective. 00:07:59
Which is going to leave the SRO position open, so he's considering. 00:08:01
Coming over, but if he turns us down again. 00:08:04
We're going to have to run another. 00:08:08
Troll officer test. 00:08:09
But I'm going to leave that to the next guy because now he has built department. 00:08:10
How they want to see. 00:08:16
Does that make sense? 00:08:19
Yeah, yeah. 00:08:20
Appreciate. 00:08:22
Foresight in that league. 00:08:23
Yes, I learned it. I learned the hard way in the beginning, and I promised myself I wasn't going to do that. 00:08:26
As best I can. 00:08:32
Whoever replaced me. 00:08:34
So what do you think of? 00:08:39
When in the next 90 days? It seems like by the time you go through the process with all the Clancy work. 00:08:41
So you really have. 00:08:47
Pretty close. 00:08:49
Yeah, yeah, I think we probably should. 00:08:52
Jump on that as soon as. 00:08:55
Sounds good, yeah. 00:08:57
We need to get the letter from the mayor. 00:08:59
And that way. 00:09:03
You can get the test going on. The test is good for one year in clinics. 00:09:04
It results in the testing group for one year. We could extend it two years. 00:09:08
That will. I promise you that will not be necessary. It will be well within. 00:09:12
Of that one here so. 00:09:17
I promise. 00:09:19
Than last week and I get away with it. 00:09:21
Hey. 00:09:24
Anything else? 00:09:31
Well, we thank you for your input and making us aware and. 00:09:33
Best of luck of future endeavors. All right, I appreciate it if you need anything. 00:09:38
For me or anything let me know. 00:09:44
Usually bombards me. 00:09:46
Or Gwen always bombarded me at that point once clients got involved. 00:09:48
We'll get everything worked out. 00:09:52
Don't even take care of the lunches for the. 00:09:53
The panel. 00:09:56
They're really partial to Ruby. 00:09:58
OK. Thank you, Sir. 00:10:00
The key. 00:10:09
Moving on, I make a motion to. 00:10:11
Into executive session. 00:10:14
For the purpose of. 00:10:16
Scoring the. 00:10:18
Full time police dispatchers examination. 00:10:20
And to certify the list. 00:10:23
Dave, And just for clarity, statutory is for the purpose of employment matter. 00:10:27
Yes. 00:10:35
Can I second? 00:10:38
Yes, yes. 00:10:42
OK, you should be good to go. 00:10:45
OK, call me. 00:10:52
Calling me back. 00:10:55
Yeah, OK. 00:10:59
I would like to certify the results of the police dispatcher examination. 00:11:01
And authorize Clerk would to prepare and certify the results to the mayor. 00:11:11
And to the chief of police. 00:11:16
And send. 00:11:22
Scores to all applicants. 00:11:24
By certified or electronic means. 00:11:30
Chair, do you want to fix the eligibility? 00:11:38
Period, one year, 2 years right now it says with us. 00:11:44
I thought it was already one year. 00:11:52
Well, it just says the terminal energy of peaceless shall be fixed by the Commission. 00:11:54
That no less than one year. 00:12:01
No, no more than two so. 00:12:03
So the list will be good for one year. 00:12:06
Unless we need to extend it. 00:12:10
How much kiss go upon that at that time? 00:12:12
OK. 00:12:18
Yes. 00:12:24
Yes. Motion carried. 00:12:27
Do we need to have discussion? 00:12:38
Of the. 00:12:41
Moving towards getting the police. 00:12:45
The chief test moving along. 00:12:47
Or are we? 00:12:51
So once once the letter comes out we can contact OK? 00:12:55
To allow me to contact. 00:13:00
All right, so we have to wait until we get the official letter. 00:13:04
OK, and I can call. 00:13:08
Because I, you know, it sounds like we need to do that. 00:13:13
As soon as practical, yes. 00:13:16
Just the time breaks straight so. 00:13:19
If there's no further business. 00:13:23
I move to adjourn the meeting. 00:13:31
Said oh OK. 00:13:32
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